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== False reasons (excuses, pretexts, artificial reasons) ==
== False reasons (excuses, pretexts, artificial reasons) ==
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''Some of these reasons are relevant, but not as primary reasons. Ukraine potentially joining NATO, and Euromaidan, impeded russian plans of controlling Ukraine. But they were '''not''' initial reasons for the initial goal of controlling Ukraine and putting an end to its independence and democratization — one way or another. If the Kremlin had no such plans to begin with, none of this would have been relevant. Note also the direct russian involvement behind some of those “reasons” (e.g. the consequences of the 2014 russian invasion/russian-led seperatism, russian nationalists/extremists, etc.).''
''Some of these reasons are relevant, but not as primary reasons. Ukraine potentially joining NATO, and Euromaidan, impeded russian plans of controlling Ukraine. But they were '''not''' initial reasons for the initial goal of controlling Ukraine and putting an end to its independence and democratization —one way or another. If the Kremlin had no such plans to begin with, none of this would have been relevant. Note also the direct russian involvement behind some of those “reasons” (e.g. the consequences of the 2014 russian invasion/russian-led seperatism, russian nationalists/extremists, etc.).''


* [[NATO]]
* [https://progressum.substack.com/p/debunking-tankies-on-ukraine-part Debunking tankies on Ukraine (Part I)]
 
* [https://progressum.substack.com/p/debunking-tankies-on-ukraine-part-50c Debunking tankies on Ukraine (Part II)]
 
=== [[NATO]] ===
 
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I am absolutely convinced that Ukraine will not shy away from the processes of expanding interaction with NATO and the Western allies as a whole. Ukraine has its own relations with NATO; there is the Ukraine-NATO Council. At the end of the day the decision is to be taken by NATO and Ukraine. It is a matter for those two partners.
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[[Vladimir Putin]], “[http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/21598 Press Statement and Answers to Questions at a Joint News Conference with Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma]”, May 17, 2002
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* [https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-russia-no-problem-finland-sweden-join-nato/ Putin says Russia has ‘no problems’ with Finland, Sweden in NATO], May 16, 2002


* [https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/accepting-nato-aspirations-denazifying-20-years-putins-changing-views-ukraine From Accepting NATO Aspirations to ‘Denazifying’: 20+ Years of Putin’s Changing Views on Ukraine]
* [https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/accepting-nato-aspirations-denazifying-20-years-putins-changing-views-ukraine From Accepting NATO Aspirations to ‘Denazifying’: 20+ Years of Putin’s Changing Views on Ukraine]
* See: [[NATO]]
=== Denazification ===


* [https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1636304964682170369 Even Russians themselves can’t find Nazis and fascists in Ukraine.]
* [https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1636304964682170369 Even Russians themselves can’t find Nazis and fascists in Ukraine.]
* [https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/ The Facts on ‘De-Nazifying’ Ukraine]
* See: [[Ukraine/Antisemitism]], [[Ukraine/Racism]] and [[Azov]]
=== [[Desatanization]] ===
* See: [[Desatanization]]. This one didn’t quite catch on...


* [[Pekka Kallioniemi]], [https://twitter.com/P_Kallioniemi/status/1611810791744995330 In today’s #vatnik soup I’ll discuss Russia’s disinformation and propaganda campaigning in more detail, and go through four of the main “big” themes around which most of their propaganda is based on.] ([https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1611810791744995330.html thread]) ([https://liberpedia.net/threads/Kallioniemi-RU-Propaganda.pdf pdf])
* [[Pekka Kallioniemi]], [https://twitter.com/P_Kallioniemi/status/1611810791744995330 In today’s #vatnik soup I’ll discuss Russia’s disinformation and propaganda campaigning in more detail, and go through four of the main “big” themes around which most of their propaganda is based on.] ([https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1611810791744995330.html thread]) ([https://liberpedia.net/threads/Kallioniemi-RU-Propaganda.pdf pdf])
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* [https://twitter.com/joseph__place/status/1608869689836597250 Right so, let’s talk debunking russian nonsense. This thread will be long but I hope you stick with it. I will go through propaganda claims and debunk them and explain how best to do so. In following threads I’ll explain how better to bonk and argue. Have to walk before you run.] ([https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1608869689836597250.html thread]) ([https://liberpedia.net/threads/RU-Propaganda-Debunked.pdf pdf])
* [https://twitter.com/joseph__place/status/1608869689836597250 Right so, let’s talk debunking russian nonsense. This thread will be long but I hope you stick with it. I will go through propaganda claims and debunk them and explain how best to do so. In following threads I’ll explain how better to bonk and argue. Have to walk before you run.] ([https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1608869689836597250.html thread]) ([https://liberpedia.net/threads/RU-Propaganda-Debunked.pdf pdf])


* [[Euromaidan]]
=== [[Euromaidan]] ===
** [https://bitterwinter.org/myth-of-american-coups-in-ukraine-1-orange-revolution/ Warrant for an Invasion: The Myth of the “American Coups” in Ukraine. 1. The Orange Revolution of 2004]
** [https://bitterwinter.org/myth-of-the-american-coups-in-ukraine-2-2014/ Warrant for an Invasion: The Myth of the “American Coups” in Ukraine. 2. What Happened in 2014]


* [[Ukraine/Antisemitism]]
* [https://bitterwinter.org/myth-of-american-coups-in-ukraine-1-orange-revolution/ Warrant for an Invasion: The Myth of the “American Coups” in Ukraine. 1. The Orange Revolution of 2004]


* [[Azov]]
* [https://bitterwinter.org/myth-of-the-american-coups-in-ukraine-2-2014/ Warrant for an Invasion: The Myth of the “American Coups” in Ukraine. 2. What Happened in 2014]
 
* [https://twitter.com/EmbassyofRussia/status/1612791952860135427 FM #Lavrov: Important objective is to ensure that no threats to our security are created or remain on🇺🇦territory. They say that West did not try to urge Ukraine to engage in military action vs Russia, however, I regard oppressing Russian-speaking people in🇺🇦as genuine aggression]


* [https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/ The Facts on ‘De-Nazifying’ Ukraine]
* See: [[Euromaidan]]


* [https://progressum.substack.com/p/debunking-tankies-on-ukraine-part Debunking tankies on Ukraine (Part I)]
== [[Donbas]] ==


* [https://progressum.substack.com/p/debunking-tankies-on-ukraine-part-50c Debunking tankies on Ukraine (Part II)]
* [https://twitter.com/EmbassyofRussia/status/1612791952860135427 FM #Lavrov: Important objective is to ensure that no threats to our security are created or remain on🇺🇦territory. They say that West did not try to urge Ukraine to engage in military action vs Russia, however, I regard oppressing Russian-speaking people in🇺🇦as genuine aggression]


* [https://twitter.com/Rail_splitter1/status/1634949919638437888 Let’s talk about the hoax that’s been perpetrated daily for 9 years and that was key to for this illegal invasion and its atrocities: Russian assertions that Ukraine has committed “genocide” against “ethnic Russians” in Donetsk and Luhansk.] ([https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1634949919638437888.html thread]) ([https://liberpedia.net/threads/RailsplitterFella-Donbas-Genocide.pdf pdf])
* [https://twitter.com/Rail_splitter1/status/1634949919638437888 Let’s talk about the hoax that’s been perpetrated daily for 9 years and that was key to for this illegal invasion and its atrocities: Russian assertions that Ukraine has committed “genocide” against “ethnic Russians” in Donetsk and Luhansk.] ([https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1634949919638437888.html thread]) ([https://liberpedia.net/threads/RailsplitterFella-Donbas-Genocide.pdf pdf])
* See: [[Donbas]]


== See also ==
== See also ==

Revision as of 03:35, 20 March 2023

Since 2003, russia planned the russian invasion of Ukraine [4]. Since 2006, russia infiltrated/trained “separatists” in Eastern Ukraine. Since 2011, it started training its troops for invasion using German provided training center. First invasion happened in 2014, second in 2022, with parts of Ukraine occupied by russian troops in-between:

Among other things, the Court found that areas in eastern Ukraine in separatist hands were, from 11 May 2014 and up to at least 26 January 2022, under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation.

— European Court of Human Rights, “Grand Chamber decision Ukraine and the Netherlands v. Russia - Flight MH17 and eastern-Ukraine-conflict case partially admissible, will proceed to judgment”, January 25, 2023

Below some of the reasons, goals, objectives and enabling factors of the russian invasion of Ukraine.

Prelude: Background and enabling factors

1994: Disarmament

The Clinton administration ignored flashing warning signs as it pushed Ukraine hard to accept unilateral disarmament—depriving Kyiv of a deterrent against Russia while providing nothing real to replace it.

How Bill Clinton Sealed Ukraine’s Fate: The inside story of the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, when Kyiv returned its nuclear weapons to Russia in return for ‘assurances’ from Moscow and Washington.

Early preparations (since 2003)

Donetsk-2009.jpeg
Ru-donetsk-pre-maidan.png

Illarionov was Putin’s chief economic advisor up until 2005. When he resigned, he left the country and became an outspoken critic.

He says Putin has been planning the months-long invasion for years.

“He’s had this idea, this goal for last two decades. Even when I was his advisor, I was able to watch to see myself his intentions,” Illarionov said.

Illarionov says Putin could never accept the fact that Ukraine was its own sovereign nation separate from Russia. He believes the invasion is step one in Putin’s grand plan of reunifying the whole former Soviet Union.

‘This should be stopped’: Ex-Putin advisor weighs in on Russia-Ukraine invasion
  • Russia started training separatists to split Ukraine in 2006 already. Then Russia’s relations with NATO were still excellent. [6]

Coup attempts

Dam construction (2003)

Warning signs

“Russia attempts to challenge the territorial integrity of Ukraine, particularly in Crimea, which is 59 percent ethnically Russian and is home to the Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet, must be prevented,” the memo warned five years before Russian forces would seize Crimea and 13 years before they would invade the rest of the country. The memo added that “Russia will exploit Europe’s dependence on Russian energy” and use political means “to drive wedges between the United States and Europe.”

— George W. Bush, 2009 memo to his successor Barack Obama, From George to Barack: A Look at Secret Bush Memos to the Obama Team (Bush warned Obama about Russia’s plans for Crimea, NYT reports)

OPERATION: NOVOROSSIYA: THE HISTORY BEHIND THE KREMLIN'S NEO NAZI PYSOP IN UKRAINE

Territorial expansion, imperialism

Reviving the Soviet Union

[3] вернём границы 1945 года! Let’s bring back the borders of 1945!

Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century.

Vladimir Putin, “Annual Address to the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation”, April 25, 2005

In essence, Ukraine’s ruling circles decided to justify their country’s independence through the denial of its past, however, except for border issues. They began to mythologize and rewrite history, edit out everything that united us, and refer to the period when Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union as an occupation.

Vladimir Putin, “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians”, July 12, 2021

Expanding the russian empire

Границы России нигде не заканчивается - Russia’s borders end nowhere

Peter the Great ... was returning and reinforcing, that is what he was doing.

Clearly, it fell to our lot to return and reinforce as well. And if we operate on the premise that these basic values constitute the basis of our existence, we will certainly succeed in achieving our goals.

Vladimir Putin, “Meeting with young entrepreneurs, engineers and scientists”, June 9, 2022

Genocide

Destroying Ukraine as a nation, genocide of Ukrainians

Genocide of minorities from occupied Ukraine

Crimean Tatars enjoyed an autonomy within Ukraine. But since Russia annexed Crimea the deportation of Tatars resumed.

Mikhail Svetov, “An appeal to western libertarians about the war in Ukraine”, August 19, 2014

Genocide of minorities from russia

Russia-casualties-regions.jpeg

Putin cannot announce a general mobilization, since that would be an admission that he is losing the war. It would too overtly break the social contract according to which the poor, the Asians, and forcibly mobilized Ukrainians do the dying.

Timothy Snyder

Demographic decline / kidnapping children

Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Putin bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, (i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and (ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute).

Situation in Ukraine: ICC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova

Cultural domination

Preventing democratic concurrent models

Resource grab

Domestic popularity boost

Putin-approval-rating.jpeg

Fighting the West

False reasons (excuses, pretexts, artificial reasons)

Russia-rescue-help-victim.jpg

Some of these reasons are relevant, but not as primary reasons. Ukraine potentially joining NATO, and Euromaidan, impeded russian plans of controlling Ukraine. But they were not initial reasons for the initial goal of controlling Ukraine and putting an end to its independence and democratization —one way or another. If the Kremlin had no such plans to begin with, none of this would have been relevant. Note also the direct russian involvement behind some of those “reasons” (e.g. the consequences of the 2014 russian invasion/russian-led seperatism, russian nationalists/extremists, etc.).

NATO

I am absolutely convinced that Ukraine will not shy away from the processes of expanding interaction with NATO and the Western allies as a whole. Ukraine has its own relations with NATO; there is the Ukraine-NATO Council. At the end of the day the decision is to be taken by NATO and Ukraine. It is a matter for those two partners.

Vladimir Putin, “Press Statement and Answers to Questions at a Joint News Conference with Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma”, May 17, 2002

Denazification

Desatanization

Euromaidan

Donbas

See also