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# sophisme du [[barking cat]] : vouloir un État, mais respectueux des droits individuels (ce qui ne correspond ni à la définition commune de l’État, ni a aucun État n’ayant jamais existé ou existant) ;
# [[barking cat]] fallacy: to want a government, but respecting individual rights (which matches neither the common definition of what a State is, nor any extant or historical state);
# sophisme du [[No true Scotsman]] : prétendre que tout autre État ne serait pas un vrai État, pas un État digne de ce nom[http://www.propertyrightsmatter.com/well-no-proper-statesmen/][https://mises.org/blog/when-you-have-property-rights-you-don%E2%80%99t-need-religious-freedom#comment-2687264804] (combiné au sophisme précédent : prétendre que tout chat qui n’aboierait pas, ne serait pas un vrai chat) ;
# [[No true Scotsman]] fallacy: claim that any other government is not a true government [http://www.propertyrightsmatter.com/well-no-proper-statesmen/][https://mises.org/blog/when-you-have-property-rights-you-don%E2%80%99t-need-religious-freedom#comment-2687264804] (combined with the previous fallacy: claim that any non-barking cat is not a ''true'' cat);
# sophisme de l’[[reverse straw man]] : traiter les États existants comme s’ils correspondaient à la définition donnée — alors qu’ils n’y correspondent pas, et ''ne peuvent pas y correspondre'' (autrement dit : exiger un chat-qui-aboie, proclamer que tout chat qui n’aboierait pas ne serais pas un chat, puis accepter quand même un chat existant, et faire comme s’il aboyait à toutes fins pratiques).
# [[reverse straw man]] fallacy: hitherto proceed to treat real, existing governments as if they matched that defition, whereas they don't and ''can't'' (in other words: ask for a barking-cat, pretend that any non-barking-cat is not a cat, but then accept an actual cat and act is if it were indeed barking)


:Mais par quelle magie attend-on d’un monopole violent qu’il fasse soudain le contraire de ce qui constitue tout à la fois son principe de base, la condition de sa survie, et l’intérêt de ses agents?
: But by what magic does one expect a violent monopoly to all of a sudden do the opposite of what constitutes its founding principle, the condition of its survival, and the interest of its agents?
::[[François-René Rideau]], [http://fare.livejournal.com/171147.html Bastiat était-il libéral? Anarchisme et minarchisme]
::[[François-René Rideau]], [http://fare.livejournal.com/171147.html Bastiat était-il libéral? Anarchisme et minarchisme]


[[fr: État digne de ce nom]]
[[fr: État digne de ce nom]]
[[category: Fallacies]]
[[category: Fallacies]]

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The anti-concept of “proper government” or “proper state” is a triple fallacy used by Rand and the randroids in order to hide their obvious lack of a theory of the state -- a theory explaining what a state is, how it appears historically, and above all else, what determines its territory.

The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.
Ayn Rand, [1]
A properly functioning government, one whose purpose is to protect individual rights against attack
Peter Schwartz, “Libertarianism: The Perversion of Liberty” in The Voice of Reason: Essays in Objectivist Thought, 1988.

Triple fallacy:

  1. barking cat fallacy: to want a government, but respecting individual rights (which matches neither the common definition of what a State is, nor any extant or historical state);
  2. No true Scotsman fallacy: claim that any other government is not a true government [2][3] (combined with the previous fallacy: claim that any non-barking cat is not a true cat);
  3. reverse straw man fallacy: hitherto proceed to treat real, existing governments as if they matched that defition, whereas they don't and can't (in other words: ask for a barking-cat, pretend that any non-barking-cat is not a cat, but then accept an actual cat and act is if it were indeed barking)
But by what magic does one expect a violent monopoly to all of a sudden do the opposite of what constitutes its founding principle, the condition of its survival, and the interest of its agents?
François-René Rideau, Bastiat était-il libéral? Anarchisme et minarchisme