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The [[anti-concept]] of “proper government” or “proper state” is a triple fallacy used by [[Rand]] and the [[randroid]]s in order to hide their obvious lack of a ''theory of the state'' -- a theory explaining what a state is, how it appears historically, and above all else, what determines its territory.
The [[anti-concept]] of “proper government” or “proper state” is a triple fallacy used by [[Rand]] and the [[randroid]]s in order to hide their dire lack of a ''theory of the state'' —a theory explaining what a state is, how it appears historically, what determines the behavior of its agents ([[public choice]]), how its decisions are taken (Arrow), how to limit its powers ([[constitutionalism]]) and above all else, what determines its territory [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHtgX15fUCY&feature=youtu.be&t=692].


:The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.
:The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.
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Triple fallacy:
Triple fallacy:


# sophisme du [[barking cat]] : vouloir un État, mais respectueux des droits individuels (ce qui ne correspond ni à la définition commune de l’État, ni a aucun État n’ayant jamais existé ou existant) ;
# [[Barking Cat Fallacy]]: to want a government, but respecting individual rights (which matches neither the common definition of what a State is, nor any extant or historical state);
# sophisme du [[No true Scotsman]] : prétendre que tout autre État ne serait pas un vrai État, pas un État digne de ce nom[http://www.propertyrightsmatter.com/well-no-proper-statesmen/][https://mises.org/blog/when-you-have-property-rights-you-don%E2%80%99t-need-religious-freedom#comment-2687264804] (combiné au sophisme précédent : prétendre que tout chat qui n’aboierait pas, ne serait pas un vrai chat) ;
# [[No true Scotsman]] fallacy: claim that any other government is not a true government [http://www.propertyrightsmatter.com/well-no-proper-statesmen/] [https://disqus.com/home/discussion/propertyrightsmatter/well_no_8216proper8217_statesman8230/][https://mises.org/blog/when-you-have-property-rights-you-don%E2%80%99t-need-religious-freedom#comment-2687264804] (combined with the previous fallacy: claim that any non-barking cat is not a ''true'' cat);
# sophisme de l’[[reverse straw man]] : traiter les États existants comme s’ils correspondaient à la définition donnée — alors qu’ils n’y correspondent pas, et ''ne peuvent pas y correspondre'' (autrement dit : exiger un chat-qui-aboie, proclamer que tout chat qui n’aboierait pas ne serais pas un chat, puis accepter quand même un chat existant, et faire comme s’il aboyait à toutes fins pratiques).
# [[reverse straw man]] fallacy: henceforth proceed to treat real, existing governments (such as the U.S. one) as if they matched that definition, whereas they don’t and ''can’t'' (in other words: ask for a barking-cat, pretend that any non-barking-cat is not a cat, but then accept an actual cat and act is if it were indeed barking)


:Mais par quelle magie attend-on d’un monopole violent qu’il fasse soudain le contraire de ce qui constitue tout à la fois son principe de base, la condition de sa survie, et l’intérêt de ses agents?
Thus,
 
:But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense.
:: [[Ayn Rand]] [http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/government.html]
 
Which leads to some simple questions, such as: does or does not the US Government “initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one”? And if it does, should the Randians behave towards it as if it were a “nightmare infernal machine” or as if it were a “proper government”?
 
Likewise:
 
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a country that violates the rights of its own citizens is an outlaw and can claim no rights.
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Of course, '''every''' government violates the rights of its own citizens. According to her own theory, Ayn Rand should have been, at least functionally (until an Objectivist-compatible government were to exist), an anarchist.
 
: But by what magic does one expect a violent monopoly to all of a sudden do the opposite of what constitutes its founding principle, the condition of its survival, and the interest of its agents?
::[[François-René Rideau]], [http://fare.livejournal.com/171147.html Bastiat était-il libéral? Anarchisme et minarchisme]
::[[François-René Rideau]], [http://fare.livejournal.com/171147.html Bastiat était-il libéral? Anarchisme et minarchisme]
: if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place
:: [[Murray Rothbard]]
== See also ==
* [[Michael Malice]], [[Yaron Brook]], [[Lex Fridman]], [https://youtu.be/Pl3x4GINtBQ?t=9545 Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy | Lex Fridman Podcast #178]


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Latest revision as of 09:22, 9 May 2023

The anti-concept of “proper government” or “proper state” is a triple fallacy used by Rand and the randroids in order to hide their dire lack of a theory of the state —a theory explaining what a state is, how it appears historically, what determines the behavior of its agents (public choice), how its decisions are taken (Arrow), how to limit its powers (constitutionalism) and above all else, what determines its territory [1].

The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.
Ayn Rand, [2]
A properly functioning government, one whose purpose is to protect individual rights against attack
Peter Schwartz, “Libertarianism: The Perversion of Liberty” in The Voice of Reason: Essays in Objectivist Thought, 1988.

Triple fallacy:

  1. Barking Cat Fallacy: to want a government, but respecting individual rights (which matches neither the common definition of what a State is, nor any extant or historical state);
  2. No true Scotsman fallacy: claim that any other government is not a true government [3] [4][5] (combined with the previous fallacy: claim that any non-barking cat is not a true cat);
  3. reverse straw man fallacy: henceforth proceed to treat real, existing governments (such as the U.S. one) as if they matched that definition, whereas they don’t and can’t (in other words: ask for a barking-cat, pretend that any non-barking-cat is not a cat, but then accept an actual cat and act is if it were indeed barking)

Thus,

But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense.
Ayn Rand [6]

Which leads to some simple questions, such as: does or does not the US Government “initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one”? And if it does, should the Randians behave towards it as if it were a “nightmare infernal machine” or as if it were a “proper government”?

Likewise:

a country that violates the rights of its own citizens is an outlaw and can claim no rights.

Ayn Rand, [7]

Of course, every government violates the rights of its own citizens. According to her own theory, Ayn Rand should have been, at least functionally (until an Objectivist-compatible government were to exist), an anarchist.

But by what magic does one expect a violent monopoly to all of a sudden do the opposite of what constitutes its founding principle, the condition of its survival, and the interest of its agents?
François-René Rideau, Bastiat était-il libéral? Anarchisme et minarchisme
if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place
Murray Rothbard

See also